This is a rundown of links, video and a little of the Lady’s Take of the GOP debate on October 11, 2011. I will likely update this post to add video clips as Bloomberg hasn’t put much up yet.
The Full Video and Transcript can be found at The Right Scoop.
The Lady’s Take:
Preface: It was hosted by Bloomberg TV and I wished the whole time that the moderators would do their jobs instead of being so transparently liberal. I spent most of it on my computer since I refuse to get the Bloomberg channel on satellite. You can check my retweet/favorite feed here. Quite a few nice zingers in there.
My Impressions: This debate was boring. Not just boring, but the moderators made it painfully boring. Charlie Rose, if he wasn’t drunk, should have been. A tweet from Dan Foster at NRO hit the nail on the head about Rose. The other two were Liberal harpies from Hell. If I had to rank them in terms of the impact of it: Romney, Cain, Perry, Gingrich, Santorum, Bachmann, Paul, Hunstman. Where Gary Johnson was is a mystery as is his entire candidacy. If I had to rank a winner last night I’d tie Romney and Gingrich with Cain in second and Perry 3rd. I’ll spend more time on Cain since he was the front-runner going in during my rundown.
Repeal Obamacare, repeal Frank-Dodd, #OWS get a life, Obama is corrupt and has to go.
Cain took a beating on his 9-9-9 plan but few could really say exactly what was wrong with it. Either they aren’t familiar with what it really entails or they’re mad they didn’t think of it first. Probably both. One of this best moments, to me was slapping down Goldman for trying to spin his statement to encompass all unemployed people:
GOLDMAN: … you recently said, quoting you, “don’t blame Wall Street, don’t blame the big banks, if you don’t have a job and you are not rich, blame yourself.” So are you telling 14 million unemployed Americans that it is their fault that they don’t have a job?
CAIN: No, the question was — that response was directed at the people that are protesting on Wall Street, not that 14 million people who are out of work for no reason of their own other than this economy is not growing, not the millions of people that are under-unemployed. That statement was not directed at them. It was specifically directed at the people who are protesting on Wall Street. And I also said that they have basically targeted the wrong target. It should be against the failed policies of this administration, not Wall Street is where they should be protesting.
One quote I am sure you will hear a lot is this one:
CAIN: I can connect with people’s pain because I was po’ before I was poor. My dad worked three jobs. I understand what that means. But more importantly, with my career and with my records, I understand that leaders are supposed to make sure we’re working on the right problems, we’re assigning the right priority.
Some pundits on Twitter were making fun of it. I’d like to point out to them that Cain is the only one up there who isn’t a career politician and shouldn’t be derided for telling it like it is. Cain more than held is own last night.
The last Cain exchange that deserves attention is this one, Goldman again acting like a know-it-all Liberal which of course means she’s mistaken on the facts:
GOLDMAN: I said we would get back to 9-9-9. Mr. Cain, you say that your plan is revenue-neutral. And last year, the U.S. collected $2.2 trillion dollars in tax revenue, but Bloomberg Government has run the numbers, and your plan would have raised no more than $2 trillion. And even with that shortfall, you’d still be slapping a 9 percent sales tax on food and medicine.
CAIN: The problem with that analysis is that it is incorrect. The reason it is incorrect is because they start with the assumptions that we don’t make. Remember, 999 plan throws out the current tax code. And it starts with three simple economic driving principles: production drives the economy, risk-taking drives growth, and we need sound money, measurements must be dependable. Now what 999 does, it expands the base. When you expand the base, we can arrive at the lowest possible rate which is 999. The difference between the 999 plan and the other plans that are being proposed is that they pivot off of the existing tax code.We have had an outside firm, independent firm dynamically score it. And so our numbers will make it revenue neutral.
Bachmann took a shot at Cain’s 9-9-9 and called it a ‘tax plan, not a jobs plan’. Very good Michele, because that’s what it is dear, and by fixing the taxes it sets up for the market to have stability and create jobs. It wouldn’t be new income stream either, it’s a fixed replacement. She then jumped the shark and made an awful joke, inferring if you turned it upside down it would be the Devil’s plan (666). No one found it funny and I think everyone collectively groaned. Early on she used her ‘lone voice’ shtick again too.
Huntsman was annoying, petty and smarmy. I wanted to deck him a few times and sincerely wish he’d just quit already. He is everything we don’t want or need in a candidate. His jab at Romney on Mormonism was met with silence from the crowd- as it should be, that was awful.
Santorum was his usual angry self. Can’t blame him totally, he was getting shafted again in time: SANTORUM: “I am not done yet. I’ve only been able to answer one question, unlike everybody else here, so let me just finish what I’m saying.” He also had to teach Charlie Rose the Alphabet (R comes before S) during the segment where Rose announced the candidates would do his job for him and ask each other questions. His biggest misstep was his ‘go to war with China’ answer.
Paul was Paul. I refuse to give that many any time other than to say his outrage about Cain liking Alan Greenspan is wrong. Greenspan has taken a lot of crap for where we are now, but I’d tell anyone agreeing with Paul that “Greenspan was a disaster” to go back and do your homework; you’re painting Greenspan with an Obama brush.
Perry and Romney slapped each other around. Perry hit Romney on Romneycare but not nearly enough. Perry also failed to slap down Obama and his corruption when given the chance. it feels like Perry is fading. Romney slightly botched the answer on bailouts.
Gingrich had a strong debate. Newt Nailed Romney on h is 59 point plan and why it includes a capital gains tax. It highlighted yet another spot where Romney resembles Obama’s 250k Millionaires rhetoric. This exchange had me clapping:
ROSE: Speaker Gingrich, is the American dream of owning a home no longer a realistic dream, and is it too easy in America?
GINGRICH: You know, there is a stream of American thought that really wishes we would decay and fall apart and that the future be bleak so the government could then it share the misery. It was captured by Jimmy Carter in his “malaise” speech. It is captured every week by Barack Obama in his apologias disguised as press conferences.
There was also this nugget from Gingrich on Housing, which is dead on:
GINGRICH: Because I think this is really important. There’s a real possibility that you can’t have the euro and the Greek economy in the same system. There’s a possibility we could have a meltdown in the next year. The thing that is most obvious looking back is that Paulson and — and Bernanke and Geithner didn’t have a clue, not because they’re not smart, but because they were operating in a world that had suddenly changed so radically they didn’t know.
Of Note: There was an interruption near the end from the audience. Someone was shouting something and apparently escorted out. The first minutes of this clip of the debate has it. I am sure there will be more on who it was and what was said as the day progresses. I’ll try to update this. Also, it took almost 98 minute into the debate for moderators to address Solyndra. Amazing.
The Useful Links:
- Stephen Green (Vodkapundit): Drunk blogged it most likely – heh. A very useful timeline of the event I might add.
- DaTechGuy: Live blogged it. Also see his Da’ Spin Room.
- MaggiesNotebook: Live blogged it.
- Ira Stoll: Analysis of the debate.
- AP’s Fact Check. Their fact check actually needs some fact checking – the very first one is a coverup for Obama “Since Barack Obama took office, just two-tenths of 1 percent of layoffs have been due to government regulation, the data show.” Yes, that’s layoffs, but nowhere does AP directly mention the complete lack of hiring which they play off as lack of consumer demand… which is because people are hording cash and due to unemployment – because companies are not hiring due to a regulatory choke hold. Also, THIS.
- Daily Caller: Herman Cain came under fire for 9-9-9. A lot.
- Right Scoop: Paul asks Cain about auditing the Fed.
- The Washington Examiner: Romney dominates debate on economy. Yep, he says nothing almost as good as Obama does.
- Michelle Malkin: Quick and Dirty debate summary.
- The Blaze: Key Moments of the GOP Debate.
- Hot Air: Bachmann’s awful attempt at a joke by turning Cain’s 999 upside down; the devil is in the details. I wanted to slap her.
- Fire Andrea Mitchell: The Bloomberg/Washington Post GOP debate – Snore!
- The Hill: Hunstman – Much promise, little delivery. I thought he was an absolute ass throughout the whole thing.
- RedState: The Bloomberg-Washington Post Debate.
- Human Events: The Dartmouth debate – It wasn’t supposed to be a play-off game. Seemed to me that the moderators made the candidates do the MSM’s job for them.
- Right Wing News: Winners and losers.
- CNS: The Dartmouth Debate.